Aaron J. Smith writes:
Oh hey look, I remembered my login.
It’s been a long time since I’ve engaged here. I miss it.
Jason Blair: you can talk about alternative church formation all day long and it won’t be obnoxious to me at least.
Jason, I ended up replacing Google Reader with Newsblur, a web-based RSS reader similar to the old GReader. You have to pay a bit for a premium (subscribe to an unlimited number of feeds) account, but for me that’s been well worth it.
Another place I’ve found engaging discussion is as a part of the Christ and Pop Culture member’s forum. Again, there’s a subscription price involved to help support the site, but it’s an interesting group of people and very even-handed, open, kind discussion.
I’ve never managed to “get” Tumblr, despite my best efforts (I’m subscribed to John H‘s excellent Tumblr blog via Newsblur), but between my Twitter folks and CaPC, I have about as much engagement as I want. Now I just need to remember to post some of it over here…
Jason Blair writes:
I’ve been thinking for a while about why we only rarely post, and why other sites are in similar malaise. Then I read another in a long line of articles blasting away at Google+. One of the things it talked about what I consider Google’s dumbest move of all time, killing Reader.
Reader was the way I kept up with other blogs, and no other software after did a decent job of maintaining a connection to people I follow. In the wake of that death, I was left with Facebook, Twitter, and to a lesser degree Tumblr. Since interaction happens there, the incentive was less to find another place to discuss.
Of all, Twitter has been the best source of things that trigger me to come over here. I guess I could comment more on my own life and thought, but that’s always felt too narcissistic for my own good. (Thus, I will never be the leader of a megachurch.) That, and I can only write so much about alternative church community formation without getting obnoxious. Only Andrew Jones can do that well.
So now the challenge, for me anyway, is to reconnect with the information stream that gave rise to discussion here. I’m sure they’re out there, but are as elusive as entwives. Anyone have any leads?
Bill MacKinnon writes:
Ken: I don’t disagree with your assessment, although I think most of the real cult-like behavior is at the hardcore Calvinist margins, Mars Hill, SGM, The Village Church, etc. These aren’t all SBC per se although they have a loyal following among SBC-ers. These hard line membership covenants ought to be a big red flag to people.
For decades now, Southern Baptist have been wandering away from the centrality of the Good News of the LORD Jesus Christ. We focus on social and moral issues especially from the pulpit. We are exhorted in the scriptures to proclaim the Gospel. The social and moral issues will resolve as the nations are converted to Jesus the Messiah. That is the promise of God’s Word.
Do we as Southern Baptists really believe in the power of the Gospel? Do Christians in America believe in the power of the Gospel to affect social and moral change in society?
Can the Gospel really change a person (thus affecting society)?
Bill, I was very careful to use the word “close”. I did not say we are a cult.
Some of the language that I hear when I am around other Southern Baptist reminds me of some things that cults say. Our general stance on tithing, strict church covenants, don’t touch the Lord’s anointed (say nothing negative or be against the pastor), cult of personalities (Mohler, Piper, SBC Pres. Floyd, Patterson, Welch, Vines, etc.), Lifeway dictating doctrinal teaching are just a few that come immediately to mind.
I was trying to generate some discussion.
My dealings with other Baptist is now limited. Our church is very small, with active attendance on Sunday morning being around 20 folks. We study the Scriptures together three times a week, and celebrate the Lord’s Supper once a month. The church loves Jesus and has limited involvement with the local Association or State Convention, other that our gifts for CP (Cooperative Program) and missions giving.
Bill MacKinnon writes:
Ken: Can you flesh out your comment about SBC?
Fearsome Pirate writes:
The real question is how do we own this and blame ourselves? With the rising of the militant homosexual movement, which very soon will turn into suing Christianity out of the public eye, we blamed ourselves for not being nice enough to homosexuals for the last 2000 years. It’s our failure to communicate a message of love that did this!
I’ve heard similar sentiments about abortion. It’s our fault for not loving single mothers enough, for stigmatizing sex and creating an unhealthy atmosphere about it, for treating teenagers with insufficient respect. If only we had been a bit more diligent with preaching to sexually active singles how God loves them and the consequences of their actions aren’t their fault, abortion wouldn’t have happened.
Same goes for the welfare state. It’s obviously not the fault of the rising tide of Marxism in the public sphere, misguided theories of how human societies work, or the mistake of extending the voting franchise to people who have no incentive to vote for a solvent or responsible state. Nope it’s our fault as Christians for having been so derelict in our tithes and charitable work.
So I want to know, for those of you who are quick to blame every social ill on some failing of the Church, how exactly is it our fault that Planned Parenthood sells baby parts? Who were we not nice enough to that this has happened?
Planned Parenthood is modern day Molech (Moloch).
Southern Baptists are close to becoming a cult.
Hillary is extremely popular among southern white democrats.
Trump is a blow hard, but he is currently speaking truth to TPTB.
Jesus is LORD.
Jeremiah Lawson writes:
Chris, about the writing thing, overjustification effect, perhaps? :)
I’m pretty busy … just, uh, not writing here, obviously.